January 9, 2020

Super Attractor with Gabby Bernstein

Gabrielle Bernstein is the author of more than six bestselling books, including her latest, Super Attractor: Methods for Manifesting a Life Beyond Your Wildest Dreams. That sounds pretty ambitious, but as you will hear from Gabby — pushing, controlling, and “manic manifesting” are actually the biggest blocks to harnessing your super attractor power. In fact, it is our ability to let go and receive that allow abundance in.


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Gabrielle Bernstein is the author of more than six bestselling books, including her latest, Super Attractor: Methods for Manifesting a Life beyond Your Wildest Dreams. That sounds pretty ambitious, but as you will hear from Gabby — pushing, controlling, and “manic manifesting” are actually the biggest blocks to harnessing your super attractor power. In fact, it is our ability to let go and receive that allow abundance in. 

So often we think, "When I have that thing I'll be happy." But in fact it's the opposite. When we are happy, when we make living in alignment with joy our priority, then what you desire will come effortlessly. 

Gabby and I go way, way back, so in addition to some practical tools for learning to live in that alignment, there are some sweet bits in here about her evolution into motherhood and how we both handle our fears and hopes for the future. 

I hope you enjoy our conversation. 

I’m Jeff Krasno, and welcome to Commune. 

Gabby Bernstein: I was really, have always been on a spiritual path. I believe that I came in knowing, and I think we all do. I think we all do. I mean, I see my son, right now, my one-year old, looking up at the sky, waving, laughing, to his friends up in the sky, the corners of the bedroom. It's really cool, actually, and I really encourage it. I hope parents out there can encourage that behavior, because you don't want to shut it down, that behavior, that connection, the truth. 

I definitely felt very connected. That connection, that spiritual awareness, was something that was brought into my life through my mother. My mother was a meditator, and followed the Gurumayi and the Siddha Yoga movement. My mom would bring me to see Gurumayi, and be named by her, and taught me to meditate, and gave me the Gurumayi mantra, the Siddha Yoga mantra when I was 16 years old.

I had this spiritual backbone, but I also had a lot of fear, and anxiety, and depression, and discomfort. In my college years and shortly after, I became pretty addicted to the outside world, really looking for my worthiness and safety in relationships, and in my credentials, and in just a whole bunch of stuff, really looking outside, and then becoming ... Leaving college, I started a business as owning a PR company at 21, so I really thought I was pretty cool. 

That PR company represented nightclubs. The nightclub scene turned into a party scene, which turned into a really severe cocaine addiction. When I was 25 years old, I had a awakening where I, on the floor of my studio apartment, coming down from drugs, on October 2nd of 2005, I looked at this stack of self-help books next to my bed, thinking, "Okay, I really want that, but I don't have that right now."

I said a prayer. I said, "God, Universe, whosever out there, I need a miracle." Then, I heard my intuition say, "Get clean, and you will live a life beyond your wildest dreams." That was the day I got sober. I've been sober for 14.5 years, now. Almost 14.5. 

My sobriety catapulted my spiritual connection, and my faith, and my desire to teach, to be a spiritual teacher, really. Early in my recovery, I was speaking publicly, leading group coaching workshops, and mostly, deepening my faith in my practices. Now, I've been, for 14.5 years, really, since that time, since my sobriety, I have been a spiritual teacher, an author, and a woman on a devoted path to feel free.

Jeff Krasno: Did you employ the 12 step program? Just out of curiosity.

Gabby Bernstein: Yes. 

Jeff Krasno: Do you feel that that was central? This notion of step three, surrender to a power greater than you — god, as you understand it, or him, to be.

Gabby Bernstein: I was recently, had such a beautiful experience of just having something I was worrying about that I couldn't control, that I just really quickly, just so quickly, say, "God, take it. God, you'll show me what to do. I believe you'll show me what to do," and immediately felt so much relief, like, God is just going to work it out for me. I'm good. I got this. God's working it out for me, and believing that. Not just saying that, but believing that. 

Years, and years, and years of being a spiritual teacher, I've had many moments of relying on God, but I've had many experiences where I've had to actually hit my head against the wall 10 times before I can turn to God, whereas in this moment, with this conflict, I just said, immediately, "God, take it. You got it. I'm good." That was really major progress, major, and a sign of my faith and my trust. Yeah, that's cool.

Jeff Krasno: Yeah. I mean, you talk about, this is a central theme in all your work, but in Super Attractor, you talk about manifesting, and manic manifesting, pushing, or over-pushing.

Gabby Bernstein: Right, right, that's what you were bringing up, yes. 

Jeff Krasno: Versus surrender. This is a really tough one for me, personally, because I love to manifest. We're both students of Wayne Dyer, and oftentimes, in manifesting from the end, which is often my approach to it, that notion of assuming the feeling of the wish fulfilled, that has helped me along the way. At the same time, what is the balance between essentially pushing and trusting the universe? 

I guess I would say that a lot of people might be frustrated of like, well, I surrendered, and nothing's happening to me. Do I not need to engage in right work or right action to actually accomplish the vision that I have set out to be, or can I really surrender and leave it to a power greater than me? What is that equation, that balance? How do you square those things? 

Gabby Bernstein: Well, I created a method within the book called the spiritually-aligned action method. Before I teach that to you people, I want everybody to hear it and follow it, I write a lot in the book about how pushing, and controlling, and manic manifesting are the biggest blocks to our super attractor power, our ability to be a magnet for what we desire, our ability to let go, and allow, and receive. We block it with that controlling energy.

If you think about it this way, it's like, nothing's sexy about that controlling energy. You don't want to hire that controlling, needy person. You don't want to date that person. It's like, the universe doesn't respond to that, either. 

We have to learn to practice making our alignment our highest priority, and then, to your point, it's not that we're going to just surrender, and surrender more, and then, the universe just gives us stuff. It's that we do take action, we do write our books, we do do the podcast, we do show up, but we do it in spiritual alignment. When we take action from a place of spiritual alignment, we can trust that the universe is taking care of it. When we take action from a place of ego, we can trust that it will not unfold the way we will like.

What happens with spiritually-aligned action, this method is really beautiful. It's something I've been applying throughout my entire life, particularly in my career, is that the spiritually-aligned action method is, first step is, you really witness and recognize the ways that you are out of alignment, so if you have a negative thought on repeat, or a belief system that ... Well, really, a negative thought on repeat is a belief system. What is that negative thought on repeat, and how does it make you feel is step one.

Gabby Bernstein: Then, the second step, so, you're in that repeated pattern all of the time, and you want to really stop it, and you want to turn it. The first step is to witness that negative thought pattern and call it by its name. There you are, my fear, again, and really feel it. What does it make me feel like?

Second step is to forgive yourself for having that thought, because the moment that you forgive yourself for having the thought, you are no longer the thought. When you have a thought that you keep thinking, it becomes a belief, Abraham Hicks says. That belief is who you think you are. You think you're lacking. You think you're not worthy. You think that you're not good enough. You think you're too fat. You think all the stories that you think about yourself. You forget that you are love.

When you forgive yourself for having the thought, you separate yourself from the thought. You become one with God again. You're no longer the thought. You're no longer your fear. You're no longer your ego. It's major. That's the most valuable, important step. You can also just forgive the thought altogether, which takes its power away.

Then, the third step is to choose again. This is the fun part. When you start to reach for the next-best feeling thought. We reach for the thoughts that feel good, that we feel connected to, and that we believe. We have to believe them, for us to continue to reach our way out. That's a fun practice. That's the choose again method.

Jeff Krasno: Yeah. Yeah, that's great. It ties into something that you talk about, which I really responded to. It's so simple, on some level, but, I suppose, hidden in plain sight, which is this notion of feeling good and choosing to feel good. 

Jeff Krasno: Maybe you could just talk about how one activates that ability to feel good and why that is important. 

Gabby Bernstein: The entire book, Super Attractor is a book on how to feel good. Well, the subtitle says Manifest A Life Beyond Your Wildest Dreams. It's that, of course, but it's because it's how to feel good. When you feel good, you become a super attractor. I wrote it because I wanted to feel good.

Ultimately, when we have these experiences of leaning into joy, practicing the choose again method, doing whatever it takes to get back into alignment, AKA feeling good, then we get back into that super attractor energy, that power, that frequency of love. That's when we begin to open up to creative possibilities. That's when we begin to listen. That's when we hear.

We get it wrong, often, when we think, "When I have that thing I'll be happy." It's the opposite. It's when I'm happy, what I desire will come to me effortlessly. We got to get that straight.

Gabby Bernstein: This is a beautiful method in Super Attractor that I teach the reader how to apply. It's the spiritually-aligned action method. The first step in this method is to make sure that whatever you desire is backed with love and service, so let's do it, Jeff. What do you desire right now? What do you want? Anything.

Jeff Krasno: Yeah. I really want to connect, be very, very present in my connections with people.

Gabby Bernstein: That's definitely backed with love and service, but tell me why.

Jeff Krasno: Because sometimes I tend to ... I'm consumed with thoughts, and I'm kind of not ... I'm off in outer space, thinking about the future or thinking about the next thing instead of being right there with my children, or my wife, or a friend, or anyone, even that ... I was at a great Christmas party last night, and I was really good and focused there, and I came home being great, but I have trouble with that. Yeah.

Gabby Bernstein: Yeah, yeah. It's backed with love and service because it's creating a connection between you and loved ones. It's making you feel great. When you feel great, you have more energy. When you have more energy, you can bring more greatness to the world. Okay, so we're clear. This is a desire that's backed with love and service.

The second step is faith, okay? You have a lot of faith, so you're pretty easy. I mean, you're easy to workshop, here. Having faith that you can stick to it, having faith that the universe will deliver, having faith that this is something that becomes a habit, right?

Gabby Bernstein: The second step of having faith is crucial, because we need to take action from that place of faith, okay?

Now, in your case, the third step is to take spiritually-aligned action. Let's just say you're hanging out with Phoebe, and you're pretending, kind of, to be in presence, because you want to be in presence, and you're not in love, service, and faith, but you're just doing it to do it, right?

Jeff Krasno: Right. 

Gabby Bernstein: Phoebe's going to feel that and be like, "Dad, take it somewhere else," right?

Jeff Krasno: Yeah, yeah.

Gabby Bernstein: "Dad, I've got to get back on my Instagram, bye." The second that you take that action, backed with step one and two, love, service, and faith, she'll feel that. She'll feel that so differently and the connection will occur, like last night, right?

Jeff Krasno: Yeah. 

Gabby Bernstein: In this case, the final step is patience. In your case, you can actually have immediate results, which is nice, but in the case of many other people's desires, it's something that what they want to see appear, right? 

Jeff Krasno: True. 

Gabby Bernstein: But, you can have patience with yourself, because you're not going to do it all the time, so you're going to be patient with yourself. In the case of wanting to attract something into your life, be patient, because, as A Course In Miracles says, "Those who are certain of the outcome can wait and wait without anxiety." We want to be really free in our desires and let them go. In the energy of patience, we are very surrendered, and that's where we want to be.

Gabby Bernstein: You know, listen, we're living in times where we have to regulate. We have to regulate our energy. Yogi [Bhajan 00:20:26], all of the work that he brought to the West, was because he had prophecies about the times that we're in now. And he saw the shit storm that we were landing in and he left us with these technologies so that we have these sutras that we need to begin to live by. I'm actually writing a new book doing my modern riff on the five sutras for the Aquarian age. And they're so important. You understand compassion or you will misunderstand the times. I'm not saying them in the right order, but there is a way through every block. To vibrate with the cosmos and the cosmos will clear the path. They're the most beautiful sutras and these sutras he left us with were so crucial for where we're at because we're living in what he referred to as a pressure cooker.

Jeff Krasno: Right.

Gabby Bernstein: And he, and he said some scary things, he said one third, one third, one third. One third will go mad. One third will... I think he said-

Jeff Krasno: Commit suicide or something.

Gabby Bernstein: That's right. He literally, that's exactly what he said. It's hard to repeat, but that's what he said and it was scary.

Jeff Krasno: I know. Yeah, totally.

Gabby Bernstein: And one third will wake up.

Jeff Krasno: Yeah.

Gabby Bernstein: So anyone listening here is that third, it's waking up and it's time that we make a commitment to our inner life so that we can be steady and strong and resilient and have methods and tools to regulate our energy. We are living in the craziest times. I've been doing some talks with Deepak. In the fall, I did some talks with Deepak and you know, it's scary when your spiritual teacher is sitting on the stage saying this is the end.

Jeff Krasno: Yeah.

Gabby Bernstein: You know? And he's not trying to sugar coat anything. So I want to be really positive and uplifting, but I want to positively uplift you all by saying we've got to do our part as spiritual activists and change our energy.

Jeff Krasno: Yeah. I have a question that I've been really grappling with and to be honest, I don't know if there's an answer, because certainly science hasn't given us any insight into the nature of consciousness.

In fact, science has done many,  many great things but not around consciousness per se. And I know that A Course in Miracles, which obviously has been very influential on you and me, essentially says that God is the love within you. That we have an infinite soul that is, it exists outside of form and location and time and space that is characterized by love and experience through compassion and empathy and charity and all the virtues. And in a way that's a very hopeful vision of consciousness of the soul that it is imbued with love. On the same time, I've also read The Untethered Soul by Michael Singer and been more into Buddhism, which essentially creates this subject object distinction that as you were saying, we are not our thoughts. We are not our objects that we see through our five senses.

We are not our feelings or our emotions. We're not even our body.

Gabby Bernstein: Right.

Jeff Krasno: And we are consciousness or the soul depending on what tradition you come from and that soul, that consciousness, is neutral on some level. It's not love or hate. It isn't something that is just outside of time and space. It's infinite. And it has the ability to focus on different things. Consciousness has a focus function and it can focus on love and live a life that is in alignment with these higher principles, but it essentially at its core is a neutral. And I've been kind of grappling between those two ideas of is the soul actually love or is the soul kind of just neutral and we have the free will to focus on love or hate or anger or charity. I don't know. I don't expect you to know necessarily. [crosstalk 00:26:44]

Gabby Bernstein: Listen, I love the belief system that of course The Miracle teaches that only love is real. So we have free will, we can choose to separate from love. We can choose to detour and interfere. That's a choice, but when we're living in our soul, when we're living in our truth, Sat Nam, truth is my name. When we're living in our connection, when we're living as aligned with God, we're living in love. I believe love is who we are. I believe that 100%. I think that the reason that we do things that are not in love is because of the imprinted fears that have been placed upon us from birth, from birth into the present. And I think in this human condition we have many, many obstacles that we're faced with to have the choice of how do we want to come back to love, or are we going to stay stuck in fear? Now, it's the being human is difficult. It's a difficult experience because there is this pressure because under underlying pressure, because in our highest truth, we know we are love, but everything takes us away from it.

Jeff Krasno: Yeah. I mean I heard Bruce Lipton say that 97% of our cotedian behavior is essentially unconscious. Like we're from the most banal thing of like the turn signal in a car to things that aren't that banal, or that can be very serious, like implicit bias and things that we've wound up because our grandparents said something or we saw something on TV when we were a kid.

Gabby Bernstein: Right.

Jeff Krasno: And I wonder how you go about becoming aware of the negative patterns around fear. Where do you kind of-

Gabby Bernstein: I've become an expert in this.

Jeff Krasno: Yes. Help us.

Gabby Bernstein: Well listen, first and foremost, you have to be brave enough to wonder because if you are unwilling to even wonder what's there, then you're never going to find it. It won't show up for you. Right? So that's number one. And then when you become brave enough to wonder you may want the support of a book or a guide or a teacher or a therapist or psychiatrist, whoever you need to help you, help guide you to safely look closer at the belief systems that live beneath your patterns. Because ultimately those belief systems are based on energetic disturbances. These energetic disturbances have occurred often during childhood. When we have that traumatic event, whatever it may have been, it creates a protective belief system, and that protected belief system is how we run our lives so that we don't have to feel that pain again when ultimately if we just felt the pain all the way through, meaning not that we have to remember something or relive it, but really allow it to move through us completely, we can be free from it so that we can move on. I've been studying a lot of Peter Levine's work and he invented somatic experiencing.

Jeff Krasno: Right, yeah.

Gabby Bernstein: And his work is just, I mean everyone in the world should study his work. It's so profound and it's about resilience ultimately.

Jeff Krasno: Yeah, it's very interesting. I can't pretend to be an expert in somatic healing, but there's some very interesting distinctions that he makes between essentially humans and animals.

Gabby Bernstein: Correct.

Jeff Krasno: And essentially animals, we both have a fight or flight instinct, kind of the reptilian brain, but that is often very much connected to potential physical danger.

Gabby Bernstein: Right.

Jeff Krasno: And we can run away or we can fight basically, but so much of our trauma is not physical. It's emotional. And we will store it in our bodies [crosstalk 00:30:48] where animals, they just run it out. And shake it out.

Gabby Bernstein: We freeze, we don't shake. And the interesting thing is, is that when you begin to face those traumas, you actually do begin to shake. So I've had this really cool experience now of just shaking. Shaking when I do MDR or shaking when I meditate. But I know it's a good thing cause it means that the movement, the energy, is moving out of me. So when you face it, it moves. But yes, an animal can play dead and then just shake and run off. We, it freezes within us, it stores within us. So we don't shake it off. We think we're done because we'd moved on, but we never moved on because it's still living in our physical body. And then we live in this state of fight or flight because we're constantly protecting ourselves from having to feel that pain. It's a sick cycle.

It's something that I think so many people, there's such a stigma around trauma and so many people are so terrified that they don't even want to touch it. Me even talking about this right now may be triggering somebody. And so I'm in this interesting predicament right now, where I've been really openly talking about my trauma recovery, and I know that it's activating people because it just does, right?

Jeff Krasno: Yeah.

Gabby Bernstein: But I also don't want to hide it because I don't want to perpetuate the stigma and the silence. So there's a lot going on here. But more importantly, I also want to guide people to the ways that they can become free, because I can see traumas in all people in the ways that they react to things.

Jeff Krasno: Yeah. Right. No, you've been very, very brave and outspoken about your own trauma. And I feel that that is incredibly helpful for people because I feel that people look up to you and then they can see their own story in yours and feel okay and lose the shame.

Gabby Bernstein: Yes.

Jeff Krasno: So I think that's wonderful that you're doing that. I'm wondering how being a mother has changed your spiritual practice or your outlook on life, God, philosophy, anything?

Gabby Bernstein: It strengthened my faith because I... Definitely, well one, because going through postpartum depression, I had to rely on my faith more than anything I've ever known and the darkest, darkest experience I've ever known. And I just have so much love and compassion for anyone suffering with mental illness because I know what it is now and I just... Oh my God, but God was there. So I think that really strengthened my faith more than anything. The other bit of having to care for life and how overwhelming that is, you have to have faith. You have to turn it over daily. You have to surrender, surrender, surrender more. Because if you start to get into all the things that could happen or this or that, I mean, you will never be free.

And also, holding a child. I put my son to sleep at night. My husband gives him the bottle and I hold him to fall asleep and I hold him every night and I say prayers to ask the angels to surround him and protect him and I just hold him so closely and feeling that deep, deep love. It's just like that's God, that's love.

Jeff Krasno: Yeah. Yes, and I think there are other things that can help people to achieve that same sense of, that I'm not the center of the universe. It's humbling in the sense of, I felt when... I have three girls now and that with each one, I became a farther electron on the outside of the shell looking in. I was no longer the nucleus of my own life. And I think it's beautiful. I think it helps you live a life of service.

Gabby Bernstein: Zach says it best, my husband, who you're friends with, he says it best. He's like, "All the stuff I would do on the weekends or at night or whatever when I didn't have a kid," he's like, "I would do all these things that... Or I'd have a lot of time that'd be looking for things to do or I'd be filling it with YouTube or reading or whatever. Now I spend that with my kid." And he's like, "Even if I was doing a creative project or something, I'd say this is the most fulfilling I could fulfill that could feel being with this person. By the way, my son's obsessed with Zach. Zach really embodies presence. He's very, very good. Very present.

Jeff Krasno: He is. He is for sure. That's another interesting component here. Life and mine that I'll preface it with my grandparents that were... My grandfather worked every single day of his life until I think he was 88 and basically died on the fax machine way after faxes were outdated to be honest. And my grandmother would essentially kick him out of the apartment every morning in Chicago with the same line. She loved to repeat herself and I'm becoming her. And she used to say, "I married you for life but not for lunch. So get to the office and get out of here." And she always used to warn me, never work with your spouse. Of course I did not heed that advice. So I work with Skylar, we have our own lanes, which is nice, but that I work with her. And you work with Zach and how do you navigate that?

Gabby Bernstein: Well working with my husband is probably one of the greatest gifts that we've been given. It just really works for us where we're better together even now as partners in our business. The best way that it's supported both of us is that it's allowed me to really be in my gift and him as well. So we looked at our org chart about a month ago with our COO and I looked at it and I said, "Okay, I'm not the CEO of this company. Jessica, you're the COO, Lindsay, or the CMO, Zach, you're the CEO." And I said, "I'm still at the top of the org chart." I don't really give a shit about that. But that's where I'm at. That's where they put me. But I said, "I'm the untethered force of light."

Jeff Krasno: I love it. I want that title God damn it.

Gabby Bernstein: I know baby, should get that title. You can, you can have that title. But Zach has allowed me to have that title because I trust him so deeply and he's created such a structure and a team in a world that I live in now where I can really be, finally after 15 years of sweat and blood, I can now truly be in my art.

Jeff Krasno: Yeah, that's beautiful. So you've had a lot of teachers that have influenced you over time. I'm curious, how do you grow now? Now that you are the teacher but you still need to grow. We never end that process because that was quite boring.

Gabby Bernstein: Jeff, I have like two to three therapy sessions a week baby. And those... Now you might think, "Okay, wow. She sounds like a headcase." Well no. I am a teacher so I have to be learning. But the way that I learn is through my own experience of healing because when I... My mission is to heal so I can continue to teach others how to do the same. So I am my classroom. So in therapy, staying up, I don't watch bullshit on the TV. I watch Peter Levine videos and I watch Bessel van der Kolk and I and Gabor Mate and I'm learning about how we can regulate it and I'm learning, learning, learning all the time. So there's countless ways that I am constantly in connection with growth. So I have to be a humble student first. And I've done so much beautiful work and I still have such great practice ahead of me.

I've learned a lot from my therapists because they've cared for me in deep ways and they've taught me and as a result, I've been able to see what... It's interesting, it's one thing to go through an experience and it's another thing to go through an experience and know what you're going through. It's very interesting to be the witness of, "Oh this is what those... shaking is about," and, "Oh, that's what he talked about when he said it was like a pressure cooker and it was on a slow release." You know what I mean? So really living it is a really powerful way to know it and speak truth to that.

Jeff Krasno: And you maintain that level of curiosity and you never really get tired of this, do you? You just put this book out and you're writing another book.

Gabby Bernstein: I'm writing another one and I was just on the phone with my agents about what the next one is. That was this morning. Yeah, I have a lot of books in me, Jeff, and feel free to let me know off the line which one I should write next. I have a month to figure it out. No, I'm just kidding. I can figure out what I want to, but I'm here to teach. This is what I'm here to do. You and I will be doing this when we're 90.

Jeff Krasno: Yeah, I know it. It was actually very odd in that last night I was reading a letter that Rom Doss wrote to-

Gabby Bernstein: Last night, wow.

Jeff Krasno: Yeah. And I got it. And I got a text from a friend who told me that he had passed and of course-

Gabby Bernstein: That's happened to me so many times.

Jeff Krasno: Yeah. And I was reading a letter that he wrote, it was called A Letter to Rachel. It's actually in the next week's podcast and I'm reading it just because it's such a... There's God in this writing. Where he's writing to a couple that lost a daughter at a very young age and he's... I'll send it to you. It's a beautiful, it's called A Letter to Rachel and he's guiding them through that grief and helping them find meaning in that suffering. But I look at those lifetimes and of course he has passed into infinite time. But as incredible examples for us who are still in the midst of our growth and learning and teaching. He was a beautiful, beautiful man.

Gabby Bernstein: Now, he's hanging out with his buddy Wayne and they're [crosstalk 00:44:15] now. They're real good now.

Jeff Krasno: Yeah, they're really good.

Gabby Bernstein: Yeah, yeah. No, I have had experiences like that. Kenneth [inaudible 00:44:21] was a very beautiful course in miracles teacher and the night before he died, I was binge-watching Ken [inaudible 00:44:27] videos on YouTube. And then the next morning I found that he died. I was like, "Wow, you were teaching me, man."

Jeff Krasno: Well we've been in a lot of places. I was thinking about it this morning as I was coming into the studio of the various different mountain tops that we've traveled and... Brooklyn real estate tours and back stages all over the place. And even if I could name drop for a second, Oprah's house and other places. And I've always held your opinion in such high esteem. And I was thinking about one particular occasion. We were on a panel together in Squaw Valley. You'll never remember this because it was so obscure, but it meant so much-

Gabby Bernstein: Was it you me and Sean [inaudible 00:00:45:45], was that-

Jeff Krasno: I think so, yeah, yeah that's great. Good for you. And it meant so much to me at the time. And I don't think we've ever talked about it, but someone was asking me about wanderlust and I think the question was like, "Did you ever think that it would become this thing and have all these events and a movement and all this kind of stuff?" And I think I said, "I never made it this far in my dreams." And you were to my right and you just like gasped. And he said, "Oh, Jeff," and there was something in my head of my ego going off and said, "I just moved Gabby Bernstein."

Gabby Bernstein: Yeah, you did move me. Yeah.

Jeff Krasno: And I was just like, "Ah, this is..." It was such a wonderful feeling and so supportive and very, very loving. And you've always been that way.

Gabby Bernstein: We have a nice loving friendship. And I love you so much. And I think that people... I hope people can find their relationships like this where they can not talk for a few months and pick up like it's yesterday. And I appreciate you very much.

Jeff Krasno: I love you too.

Jeff VO: It was so nice to reconnect with Gabby. She is truly someone who is able to align with her ideals and then show up for life fully and abundantly. 

As she says, “When we take action from a place of spiritual alignment, we can trust that the universe is taking care of it. When we take action from a place of ego, we can trust that it will not unfold the way we will like.”

If you want to learn more about her work, including her latest book, Super Attractor, you can visit gabbybernstein.com. 

That’s it for today, we have many more fascinating conversations coming up with brilliant minds in the world of wellness, so hit that subscribe button to get new episodes every Tuesday. And don’t forget to check out our latest video courses at onecommune.com. 

I’m Jeff Krasno, and thanks for listening. 

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